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Anti-Abortion Rally Ends in Arrest

Captain Fred Shelton places Pastor Stephen Joiner under arrest for disobeying a police officer as Pro-Life Mississippi members sing around them.

Highway 45 N in Columbus turned into a parking lot around Noon yesterday.  People were slowing down and sometimes stopping to look at the signs that lined the roadway around the 18th Avenue intersection.  Those signs, adorned with photos of fetuses (both in the womb and aborted), were held by members of Pro-Life Mississippi.

Pro-Life Mississippi's rolling billboard. The truck drove up and down Hwy 45 N while the group pushed their message.

The group, based in Jackson, MS, was in Columbus as part of their two week-long tour of Mississippi.  At every stop of their tour, the organization posted themselves at busy intersections to voice their opposition to abortion.  Members ranged in age from as young as seven years to as old as mid-seventies.

The tour, which started in Memphis, TN on March 21st, has taken the group from the northern reaches of the state to as far south as Hattiesburg and across the full width of the state.  Today they move on to Tupelo and then tomorrow takes them to Corinth.  Beside their anti-abortion message, the organization encourages people to vote “Yes” on an upcoming Personhood Amendment (#26).  The amendment states, “The term ‘person’ or ‘persons’ shall include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivilent thereof.

Captain Fred Shelton speaks with Pro-Life Mississippi group leader Matt Trewhella.

“On their stop in Columbus, however, Pro-Life Mississippi ran into some trouble.  When the spectacle of their signs and message interferred with the flow of traffic, Columbus Police Officers arrived to shut down the show in the name of public safety.  Just after 12:00, several officers arrived on scene and Captain Fred Shelton spoke with Matt Trewhella, whom he was told was in charge of the group.  Capt. Shelton explained to Trewhella that the group was impeding traffic flow and would have to pack it up.  After a short debate on the Freedom of Speech, Trewhella ceded the point and and agreed to pack it up and move on. [Their next stop was scheduled for West Point later in the afternoon. – JD]

Pastor Stephen Joiner holds up a sign and stands up to Capt. Shelton.

While officers spoke with members who were spread out around the area, Pastor Stephen Joiner of The Church of the Nazarene in Columbus joined part of the group on the southeast corner of the intersection, in front of Walgreens.  After pledging his support for their cause, Joiner decided (with the help of a few of the members) that he would “stand up for their rights”.  [When Joiner found that I was from The Packet, he said he wanted to make sure I got a photo of someone standing up to “the jackboot thugs of a tyrannical police force” – JD] When Capt. Shelton returned to the corner, Joiner held a sign (provided by group member Dan Holman) and refused to move when told he was told to leave.  He was warned repeatedly that if he did not stand down, he would be arrested.  Joiner stood his ground, (though he was obviously nervous) and was arrested and charged with Disobeying an Officer.

While being cuffed, Joiner stated, “See how this works?  If we were out here protesting for gay rights, the police would be out here protecting us, not arresting us.  But they come out to arrest good Christian folks.”  To this, Shelton responded, “Sir you are being arrested by a Christian and a Chaplain.”  Joiner just said, “Well, you’re not a good Christian.” and got quiet.  [I was impressed by Capt. Shelton stepping up and arresting Joiner himself.  He could have had other officers on scene do so.  I think it was a good example of him not letting his personal beliefs get in the way of doing his job. – JD] Several members of the group gathered around the two (with other officers close at hand) and began to sing ‘Stand up, Stand up for Jesus’.  [Unfazed, Capt. Shelton sang right along with them! – JD]

Dan Holman holds his video camera as Captain Shelton instructs him to pack up his equipment. Holman was using his bullhorn to preach the group's message to passing motorists.

After the arrest, the Pro-Life members gathered in front of Kroger to wait for their transport van and trailer to arrive.  At this point, the owners of that property told the group that they could not stand on that property.  So, ironically the goup had to stand on the side of the street with their signs and wait for the van.

Once packed up, the members of Pro-Life, led by the very vocal Cal Zastrow, decided that they would go to the jail in support of Pastor Joiner.  So, they packed up and wagon trained their way to the Lowndes County Adult Detention Center.  Once there, they stood in front of the jail, singing and praying until Joiner was released.  [That was a long two hours. – JD] Finally, at 3:00 pm, Joiner was released from custody on his own recognizance.  When he exited the building, he was greeted with open arms by the group, who rushed forward to thank and congratulate him. [Several car loads of the members were just leaving the parking lot on their way to West Point and were called back to meet the pastor. – JD]

There were several mentions by the group of forthcoming lawsuits against the city of Columbus.  [One lady told me that Columbus was “in hot water now”. – JD]

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93 comments

  1. Lynda

    While everyone is entitled to exercise their First Amendment right here in the USA, it still does not give these people (the Pro Life activists) the right to scare other innocent people. Children ride in vehicles with their parents and loved ones and have now been exposed to the graphic nature of this march. There are other ways these activists can get their message across without showing horrific images on posters for children to see!!!

    • Click here to see an article entitled” Why Parents Hate Dead Fetus Pictures.” Cut and paste the web address in our browser if you want to know what’s going on when parents cry out because their children see the pictures of mangled aborted babies. The article explains why children are the only ones who might be open minded to the truth about the babies being slaughtered, the ones in this nation who have not already been brain washed to collaborate with legalized abortion.

    • Randy Crawford

      The fact the pictures are so disgusting is proof that the abortion mills should be shut down immediately for doing baby butchery in real life. The pictures are merely like news bulletins about what is happening in the real world. The problem is the children being murdered by abortion, not the people reporting the news of it. Like a jury seeing a grisly photo of any murder victim, America at large needs to see pictures of abortion killings to understand just how brutal abortion is, and why it must be stopped.

  2. Do these activists understand that CHILDREN see this stuff too???? And they are traumatized by these posters????? Come on people, there are other ways you could get your message across!

    • Randy Crawford

      Children are bothered by the pictures more than adults because children have a better sense of right and wrong than do their hardened uncaring parents. The problem isn’t children’s intelligent sensitivity– the problem is parents who hypocritically disregard vivisection and dismemberment the likes of which they would never allow to be practiced on themselves.

    • jethro

      Name a few other ways and then get to work getting the message to people who murder the innocent

  3. The truth of abortion is pretty traumatic. I don’t know if i agree with the venue, but maybe kids need to see in some context that there are consequences to poor choices & irresponsible behavior.
    I was on my lunchbreak and pulled over to watch the circus. The protestors were asked to stop passing out leafkets to the cars stopped at the lights. They stopped. They were asked to stay off private property and limit there presence to the public right-of-way. They complied. Then, the police had to find an excuse to run them off. They were accused of impeding traffic. The traffic at the noon hour is slow and cars are backed up at the lights of that intersection every single day. It was no more so due to the protestors.
    I don’t know if I agree with showing the graphic photos on a personal level, but I think the CPD violated the 1st Amendment right of the group.

  4. Mike Cooper

    I am a firm believer in our freedoms. Our Freedom of Speech and Freedom to Assemble must be respected by law enforcement. But, these freedoms are NOT unconditional. For example, you do not have the right to shout “bomb” on a commercial airline if there’s no bomb; and, you do not have the right to shout “fire” in a crowded theatre if it’s not really on fire. And, I want to extend that to: you don’t have a right to force me to look at an image of an aborted fetus at lunchtime while I’m trying to negotiate rush hour traffic on highway 45 and 18th Avenue in Columbus, the busiest intersection in the State. These people will lose any lawsuit against the City, in my opinion. You can’t violate other laws just to “force-exercise” these freedoms. And, I think they also violated our sign ordinance because I saw a stationery sign that would be out of compliance. And if an officer, especially Capt Shelton who is a straight-up officer and a good man, tells you to stand down because you’re a threat to the public safety of the traveling public trying to eat and “stomach” lunch, then, you have to obey him just like a City Judge has to obey an officer trying to control a domestic disturbance. In addition, I think an assembly of this nature requires a permit. They obviously didn’t have permission to assemble on the private property. And, I think you must have permission to assemble on public property. So, I hope they do file suit and are ordered to pay the city’s legal expenses when they lose, in addition to the fines imposed for the laws they violated.

    • Randy Crawford

      No one forces you to look at images of baby-killings. You are drawn to these disgusting illustrations of a disgusting practice because abortion is uncivilized and barbaric. The First Amendment says citizens have the right of freedom of speech and assembly. It doesn’t say some government bureaucrat gets to filter and limit it. If you believe what you assert about limiting citizens’ expression, wait until the day your free speech is shut down on the basis of a lying pretext such as the Columbus Police used, namely that the showing of abortion pictures was somehow slowing down traffic. It wasn’t. That was a desperate lie to try to conjure up a pretext for what the police knew was their cheap illegitimate tactic of censorship. Dictators need censorship, and an anesthetized citizenry that will accept it and apologize for it.

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  6. I believe that we all have the right to freedom of speech, and I also agree with the group against abortion. However, I feel that the images that were being displayed were very graphic. As the mother of a small child , I dont want my child exposed to these images and I am sure that there are many other parents who will agree with me. Abortion is one of those things that we as parents should explain to our children when they are at an appropriate age, it is not something they should learn about by seeing graphic on the side of the street.

    • Randy Crawford

      If mere pictures of abortion are that horrible, then abortion shouldn’t happen in the first place. What are you doing to protect innocent helpless babies? What system of justice executes the innocent, and what kind of citizens allow it to happen to anyone? If you don’t protect them, what happens when the killer interests decide one day to pick you as their “choice” target?

  7. Pastor_Stupid

    These people wouldn’t stand up for gay rights, but they will protect a potentially gay baby? I think they might wanna find a different god.

    • Randy Crawford

      There is no such thing as a right to be perverted. It is merely a degenerate condition that is incompatible with civilized standards. If you want to protect babies who might potentially grow up to be perverted, why aren’t you doing something to protect them yourself? Like, for instance, teach them to NOT grow up to be perverted. That would save them from premature death from diseases like AIDS and antibiotic-resistant new strains of homosexual gonorrhea and syphilis. If your god smiles on perversion and its diseases, anybody else’s would obviously be superior.

      • Horus

        So homosexual people are “perverted”? You are some kind of an idiot if you believe that. Your comments make me sick to my stomach…I cannot begin to fathom how someone can say something so hateful just because they love someone of the same gender. (No, I am not gay either. I am a happily married woman to a man for 4+ years.)

        You think people are “taught” to be homosexual. Wow…that alone is ignorant. You can’t teach someone to love or be someone they’re not. Going by your theory, I would like to know what the hell was wrong with your parents to “teach” you to be an imbecilic, bigoted hateful sorry excuse of a human being. They need to be slapped. :/

        People like you are one of the many reasons why I am an atheist to the point I despise religions of this world, especially Christianity. Hard for me to stomach a religion that preaches love but yet harbors so much hate and malice towards certain people…I am truly appalled.

        • FrmrFetus

          Ms. Horus, we love perverted homosexuals and the perverts who support them. That’s why we witness to you all.

          Galatians 4:16
          Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?

          • Horus

            That is MRS. thank you.

            Hah, witness? You call scare tactics and forcing your beliefs on others witnessing? The Christian religion has to be one of the most disturbing, contradicting and hateful religions out there. No other religion in this world has been the cause of so much war, hatred, and death. Don’t believe me, take the time to do some research. But oh wait, Christians don’t believe in science and facts. Whoops, my bad.

            You quote to me your Bible scripture like it is suppose to effect me somehow. xD It is just a verse from a fairy tail. I can quote too things too!! 😀

            “A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.” – Albert Einstein

            “I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.” – Thomas Jefferson

            “You can’t convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it’s based on a deep-seated need to believe.” – Carl Sagan

            “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” – Stephen Roberts

          • FrmrFetus

            MRS. Horus, “forcing our beliefs”, really? Scaring you? What are you scared about? You are up writing me at 3:39AM. Child, God has given you a way to peace. Only repent and believe.

        • M.

          Ah, someone who knows what they’re talking about. I knew there were more of them out there! (I’m enjoying your comments, just so you know)

        • Randy Crawford

          What is homosexuality good for other than selfish desires? Nothing. What good does homosexuality do for society at large? Nothing. If homosexuality is a personal private issue, what time or money should the public contribute toward it? Nothing. What is the effect of homosexuality on the normal public? Conveying disgusting morbid & deadly diseases via the bisexuals. Got a clue why normal people don’t like perversion? It’s perverted since it doesn’t produce people, which is what heterosexuality does. Nobody results from homosexuality and all of us are born out of heterosexuality. Clue, I’m an agnostic, so your religious attributions are a further clue you are clueless.

          • T

            Just to set facts straight sexually transmitted diseases did not orginate with homosexuals it started with married men and women having affairs with other men and women. Being a homosexual does not guarantee anyone a STD any more than a heterosexual. Not agreeing with a person’s lifestyle is one thing but to trash talk and disrspect them is another. As “Christian” we are not to judge others unless we ourselves are ready to be judged. And any man that is without sin, let him cast the first stone. So would you rather just not agree with a lifestyle of answer for the hatred and judgement that you harbor, that is not yours to pass in the first place.

    • Randy Crawford

      Abortion is murder. Any doubts? Try it on yourself and see what it is before you hypocritically recommend it for anyone else.

      • M.

        Only Mr. Nelson has a brain, something a fetus likely hasn’t developed at the time of abortion, something it certainly would have to have for any sane person to consider the process murder. Instead of suggesting suicide – another sin, according to the book you hold as gospel – try reading a book and stop spouting your uneducated opinion at people on the internet.

        • MoonChild02

          Actually, the brain is one of the first things to develop. The brain and the heart are the main parts of our bodies. And just because something in our bodies is missing, or is under-developed, doesn’t mean that the body or the under-developed organ doesn’t work. We’re not robots or computers. Fetuses and embryos are living, breathing human beings, just like the rest of us.

          Let’s take a look at the scientific criteria for life. A living organism must respond to stimuli, reproduce (cellular reproduction counts), must metabolize nutrients, grow, and adapt to it’s environment. All stages of an unborn child fit this definition (a child is a product or result of particular agencies, influences, etc).

          The human heart starts beating at 21 days – that’s 3 weeks from fertilization. At this same time, the brain has already developed, and divides into it’s 3 main sections: the forebrain, midbrain, and hindbrain. During prenatal development, an average of one million neurons are produced every minute.

          That’s not even at the fetal stage. That’s still the embryonic stage. A baby doesn’t become a fetus until 7 weeks gestation. Most women don’t know that they’re pregnant until about 4 to 6 weeks in. Most abortions take place between 6 and 13 weeks gestation. This means that by the time most women get an abortion, the embryo or fetus has a working heart and brain.

          In order for an embryo to become a fetus, she or he must develop every single organ she or he will ever have, and they must be in working order. The fetal stage is basically just growing and further developing, a process that doesn’t stop until a person is about 21 years of age.

          The brain also doesn’t finish developing until you’re about 21 years old, which is why it’s illegal to drink until that age in the US. So if you’re all for killing those with under-developed brains, 21 years of age would be your cut-off age for abortion. In other words, by stating that you support aborting those with under-developed brains, you are supporting the murder of everyone who is not a full-grown adult.

          Please note: I AM educated. I HAVE read books. My aunt is a famous doctor/nurse/professor, both of my grandmothers were nurses, and my mother, my sister, and I have all taken child development courses. We all consider abortion to be murder because it is the taking of an innocent human life.

          It is wrong of you to say that: a. a fetus doesn’t have a brain, b. if your criteria for murder is that someone has a brain, that the abortion of a fetus is not murder, c. anyone who considers abortion to be murder is not sane, and d. anyone who can deny all of the above is educated, and those who know the above is true aren’t educated. You have proven that you have never even cracked open a biology book, let alone taken the time to actually read one. So, please, before judging others, it would be advisable for you to take your own advice and, “Try reading a book and stop spouting your uneducated opinion at people on the internet.” Thank you.

  8. Thump

    It wasn’t the pictures or the right of these groups to protest that got them in trouble, it was the fact they were in the street passing out pamplets and getting in the way of traffic moving in a already dangerous area on 45. Its very unsafe for them and drivers to be distracted in heavy traffic. CPD was there to keep everyone from getting hurt and I support their act on arresting those who continued to ignore being asked nicely to leave. Hats off to Capt. Shelton for acting in a Christian manner and as a gentleman !

  9. FrmrFetus

    The main goal here is to end legalized baby killing. The general public condones abortion, as evidenced by the fact that it remains the law of the land. If those who call themselves Christians cared enough to make abortion once again illegal, it would not remain legal today. Hmmm. What seems to be the problem? Seems many Christians don’t realize what abortion really is, so we have to show it to them. We don’t want children to have to look at the sin of their parents’ generation, but other media outlets refuse to show the photos. So we have to take it to the streets, because the slaughter of children is worse than possibly upsetting them. But to let you in on a secret, it’s the adults that are upset by the graphic images. They don’t want to see what they tacitly give approval to by their lack of action to stop it. Others don’t want to look at what they openly support. But the loudest voices against these images are those who have not come to terms with their past abortions and strike out at anyone who upsets their guilty consciences. The kids who can recognize what’s in the pictures may be sad and ask questions, but it’s the adults who throw the tantrums.

    Ephesians 5:11

    11 “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.”

    What are you nay-sayers doing to stop baby-slaughter?

    Proverbs 24:11-12

    11 “Rescue those being led away to death;
    hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
    12 If you say, ‘But we knew nothing about this,’
    does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?
    Does not he who guards your life know it?
    Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done?”

    • Randy Crawford

      FrmrFetus is absolutely right. Murderers do indeed have guilty consciences, which is why they fight any attempt to shed light on their bloody butchery.

    • Diana

      You hit the nail on the head. All these people who claim that there are other means of “getting the point across,” are the very ones who turn a blind eye and deaf ear to lifting one finger to do anything to outlaw abortion. If the group was holding up pictures of Sport Illustrated swimsuit centerfolds, I’m sure the police force would come out and enjoy getting an erection.

    • Former Citizen

      This was not about abortion! this was about someone not doing what a police officer asked him to do, plain and simple. Why do you want to make it into something that it wasn’t? Because you wanted an avenue to rant (Which you have that right) and certainly got to. The preacher should have done what he was asked to do.

  10. Stephanie

    “I think it was a good example of him not letting his personal beliefs get in the way of doing his job”. – JD]

    Really JD? The SS guards in Germany didn’t allow their “personal beliefs” to get in the way of sending millions to the gas chambers. However, during post WWII, some of these guards went to trial for “doing their job”, or cowardly fled Germany for South America.

    Capt. Shelton should be ashamed and repent for his actions. He should obey God rather than man.

    • Randy Crawford

      Capt. Shelton knew he had no justification whatsoever for what he did. That’s why he had to come up with the pretext the signs were ‘slowing down traffic.’ That pretext was a documented lie, as will be shown in court to his pending regret.

    • Horus

      The part of being an officer of the law is being biased in ANY situation, regardless if he believes or doesn’t believe in what this group advocates.

      • Randy Crawford

        The duty of a police officer is to be UNbiased. The police here were stepping on First Amendment freedom of speech, and doing it in a totally biased false way. Their pretext was that what was going on was “unsafe” but that is a total lie, as proven by the video of the event.

  11. Terence J. Hughes, Ph.D.

    “JUST TO KEEP THEIR MISERABLE LITTLE JOBS!”

    After flooding Nazi Germany with propaganda depicting Jews as parasites and rats, Hitler gathered his henchmen to announce the time was now ripe to begin The Final Solution. One said, “To carry that out we will need the cooperation of every constable and burgermeister in Germany. Many of them grew up with Jews. They’ve known Jews since childhood. They won’t do it.” Spitting saliva, Hitler screamed, “THEY’LL DO IT! THEY’LL DO IT JUST TO KEEP THEIR MISERABLE LITTLE JOBS!”

    And they did it. They did it just to keep their miserable little jobs. And in Columbus, Mississippi, too. Just to keep their miserable little jobs. All over America. Just to keep their miserable little jobs. After over 50,000,000 of our next generation savagely murdered by hired killers, they still do it. Just to keep their miserable little jobs. As if they don’t know how to hold any other job, or don’t even care to try.

    • Randy Crawford

      Hughes is totally correct, more intelligent, and better informed than 300 million other “Americans” who have forgotten what our (sort of, leftover) country used to be based on. Hitler’s excuse was that the Jews were “Untermenschen” [sub-humans] and that is exactly the same totalitarian lie the abortion mills use– they’re somehow ‘not really human like us’ and other baloney. Beyond that, Hitler killed 6 million Jews for free, and the abortion mills have killed 53 million innocent babies for hundreds of dollars apiece. Each abortion only costs them about $10 to do, because that is the cost of the disposible gowns, masks, and gloves. The surgical instruments are re-used thousands of times over, for a per-abortion cost of only pennies. So, by charging $400 or so times a million abortions per year, that’s how the abortion mills get big bucks for buying off crooked politicians, crooked journalists, and crooked supervisors to make sure even honest cops have to fear for their jobs.

  12. Anonymous

    Christians have a long history of doing stupid, disgusting things in the name of “God”. And if you disagree with them in the least (even if you share their beliefs for the most part), then they’re convinced that you are below them and will be going to Hell. Never in history have there been bigger bigots, not even the aforementioned Nazis.

    • jethro

      Are you ashamed to reveal your real name? If I made a statement like what you just made , I wouldn’t be very proud of myself either. Many atheist believe abortion is murder and aren’t ashamed to say so with their real name signed at the bottom. I think you believe there is a God and you believe there is a hell so try not sit in judgement of others lest you be judged and be tossed into the lake of fire. God knows your real name and knows every word you posted above.

      • M.

        And those of us who don’t believe in the bullshit that your ancestors ripped off the pagans and bastardized to fit their agenda can sit and judge you all we want. Thanks for playing.

  13. Anon

    They also have a long history of not understanding the Constitution and the rights it protects. You can see it here in this thread. They’re more than happy to restrict a LOT of freedoms and a LOT of rights because of their own particular peculiar religious beliefs. Instead of being happy to have the freedom to behave as they wish, they instead seek to impose their own moral standards on everyone else. Our country is not a theocracy, it was never meant to be a theocracy, and was in fact specifically designed to NOT function as a theocracy.

    • Randy Crawford

      Here’s the First Amendment: “ Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” Notice is says the government can’t prohibit the free exercise of religion. It doesn’t say the government can restrict religion, it says the opposite. If you don’t like religious standards, like for instance “thou shalt not kill” to be turned into laws against murder, maybe you’d like to end murder laws since they are based on religion. Is open season on your life in the interests of wiping out religion really a good idea?

  14. Johnny Phillip Morris

    …to get in the way of sending millions to the gas chambers….

    You got a link to a photo of a homicidal gas chamber? You did mean “homicidal,” not the Zyklon-B delousing gas chambers employed to combat the deadly typhus epidemic , didn’t you?

  15. Johnny Phillip Morris

    …to announce the time was now ripe to begin The Final Solution…

    Dr. Hughes~

    Are you aware of Godwin’s Law?

    And if you knew of the Real History of WWII, you’d know that the “Final Solution” was the forced deportation of the illegal aliens back to their ancestral Khazar lands in the Caucasus. I realize that these inconvenient facts are bothersome to some folks.

    • Randy Crawford

      Godwin’s law is used by failed puffheads who don’t like being compared with Hitler when they are exposed espousing Nazi-mentality murderous lies. When people invoke Godwin’s “law” (which isn’t) it means they, like you, have run out of arguments and don’t want to admit they have been exposed as intellectually corrupt frauds. The “Final Solution” started out as you state. Then they tried deportations to Mauritius but couldn’t make it happen. Then the “Final Solution” morphed into mass slaughter, which started with machine-gunning until the poor little Aryan boys got nightmares from seeing what they were doing. So, it morphed into largely invisible anonymous killings at a distance via cyanide, where enslaved Jews did 99% of the overhead work, e.g. loading the ‘delousing showers, etc.’ and the Nazi officers merely tossed in the cyanide. Sorry it’s an inconvenient fact that the “Final Solution” morphed into the Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen and Treblinka cyanide + incineration assembly-line style of killing, but we can’t expect the ignorant to know what they are babbling about in denying comparisons to abortion.

  16. Anon

    Nazi comparisons are not automatically out of line, especially given that one side of the debate believes that abortion is murder. But I would expect Godwin’s law to be invoked by someone attempting to minimize the Holocaust.

  17. Johnny Phillip Morris

    There were several “holocausts” during the Twentieth century period, beginning with the forced expulsion of millions of ethnic Germans from their ancestral homes following the 1919 Paris Peace Conference , aka the infamous Treaty of Versailles. Then there was the second German holocaust following WWII, aka Operation Keelhaul. And, of course, there is the ongoing holocaust in Palestine which began when FDR’s then soon-to-be foreign policy advisor, Ben Victor Cohen the Zionist representative at Versailles, went with maps in hand delineating the borders for a super Judenstaat in Palestine to the exclusion of the indigenous population. Der Judenstaat has yet to define its borders.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_F48oaOskI

  18. Johnny Phillip Morris

    Had that been Dick Gregory on that bullhorn pimping for the extension of the 1965 Voting Rights Act monitoring the Southern State electoral processes and had Gregory exercised his right to use the “N” word, I expect Capn’ Shelton would’ve tipped his hat and said “right on!”

    Poppy on abortion:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KmsK3ertkM

  19. Johnny Phillip Morris

    As for cruelty, Christianity holds all world records. Christianity is the revenge of the wandering Jew. Where would we be today only had we not had Christianity…we would have the same brains, but we would have avoided a hiatus of one-and-a-half thousand years…The terrible thing is that millions of people believe, or act as though they believe, all this:they feign belief in it all. If we had all been Mohammedans, today the world would have been ours.“~ Adolph Hitler, circa 1942 from David Irving’s, Hitler’s War, pg. 184.

  20. Horus

    @ FrmrFetus – Ever heard of time zones? Yeah, I am one far away from the central one, so your AM may be my PM. That is why it is 3am your time.

    No I am in the least bit scared of something I don’t even believe in. I am not going to irrational fear something. But other people in this world can be scared into the religion because they fear a fake hell and wrath of an invisible man if they “don’t believe”. There are a LOT of naive people in this world and religion tends to take advantage of that. Since I can remember, I have never been able to believe in something unless I see proof. You say the sky is blue because “God” made it that way. I say the sky is blue because of the Rayleigh scattering and scientific reasons.

    Repent for what? I don’t need religion to be a great person and live a good, healthy and moral life. Just because I am anti-religious does not make me a “evil” person. According to your Bible, everyone “sins” anyway. We are all human, we ALL make mistakes. I don’t need a religion making me feel bad for the mistakes I make in life. I learn from them and EVOLVE. Not beg on my knees and speak to the ceiling asking for “forgiveness”. It may work for you, but once again, I rather just take the experience, learn from it and move on in my life. Life can be hectic enough as is and I don’t need anything hindering it.

    • FrmrFetus

      Luke 10:41-42 (New Personalized Version, ©2011)

      41 “Horus, Horus” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things, 42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one. FmrmFetus has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”

  21. Johnny Phillip Morris

    Natan Sharansky’s Town Square Test:
    If a person cannot walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm, then that person is living in a fear society, not a free society. We cannot rest until every person living in a “fear society” has finally won their freedom.

    Putting aside the pro/con arguments on the abortion issue, “Chaplain” Shelton’s bullying actions towards the Pro-Life group had nothing to do with “public safety.” With “Chaplain” Shelton at the helm of local law enforcement, Columbus cannot justifiably call itself The Friendly City.

  22. Johnny Phillip Morris

    Poppie:“It’s a pizza da momen ju putta you fiss in da dough.”

    Just wondering if Chaplains are required to pass the Army PT test?

    Just asking.

    • FrmrFetus

      It’s a pizza as soon as you decide to make one :-)

      Jeremiah 1:5

      Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

  23. Johnny Phillip Morris

    @Anon~

    In order not too minimize one’s special holocaust, could you provide a link to a genuine photo of a Nazi-constructed “homicidal gas chamber?” Either the diesel fume-fired or the Zyklon -B type will do.

    The post-WW2(1948) Polish-constructed tourist attraction one at Auschwitz does not qualify.

    • randy crawford

      google “topf gas chambers” as the topf co. was the outfit that made them to nazi specs and also got patents

  24. Arguing abortion is stupid

    I live in Oxford and saw these ridiculous trucks driving around one day, and right afterward I ate my lunch without thinking twice about it. But I did ask myself one question…

    Why does anyone still argue abortion? Nothing will ever be accomplished from this. Religious protesters will continue to be crazy while holding their signs high and screaming at people who may or may not give a shit about it, and women will continue to get abortions regardless of these people who do not agree with the act. So basically, both sides will just have to come to deal with it.

    • Randy Crawford

      Why worry one way or another about abortion? How about we don’t worry one way or another about somebody entering your bedroom with a machete tonight and vivisecting and dismembering you in your bed? It isn’t my problem, and people can argue the potential situation either way, and the Supreme Court might legalize it sometime, so why should anybody worry about what could happen to you if a selfish killer could make money by hacking you into little pieces? After all, you don’t want to restrict people’s freedom of choice, do you? So, why argue about it?

      • Arguing abortion is stupid Pt2

        Facts:

        1. Abortion is legal (until it is made illegal)
        2. Someone decapitating me in my bed with a machete is *not* legal (nor will it ever be)

        Now I am not saying people should not stand up for what they believe in, but yelling at people, handing out pamphlets and driving around small towns in Mississippi is a really dumb way to try and change abortion laws (if thats what they’re trying to achieve by doing this? not sure). Or for that matter, get anyone to listen to you without thinking you’re a nut job.

        • randy crawford

          Just like slavery was legal for hundreds of years (including so said the US “Supreme” Court) thanks to selfish nut jobs such as yourself. Not to mention that that selfishness led to thousands of Mississippians dying for nothing in the Civil War, and thousands more are dying in abortion mills so that you will have severely reduced Social Security payments. You reap what you sow.

    • randy crawford

      Oh? And there will always be more Hitlers and Stalins and Charlie Mansons, so why should any rational person worry if they come after you with a machete and hack you to pieces like the abortionists do with their victims? In your illogical irrational world, you’ll “just have to come to deal with it.”

  25. A.Roddy

    Why dont they ever arrest pro-choice ? I have never heard of any of them being arrested and im sure they are guilty of the same thing. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but the media is biased and dead set on making one side look bad.

    • Randy Crawford

      They don’t arrest pro-choice because the abortions cost the abortion mills about $10 to do, and they charge hundreds of dollars for each abortion. Times a million abortions a year, that’s a lot of loot to buy off crooked journalists, cops, and politicians. Abortions are so cheap for overhead because the abortion mills buy in bulk the throwaway gowns and masks and gloves for a few bucks. The surgical tools are recycled thousands of times for a per-abortion cost of a few cents more. So, there’s a lot of blood-money for bribery to buy off crooked cops. Just look at an abortionist’s mansion, and look at the luxury cars the abortion mill staff drives while their customers are mostly impoverished. It’s all about blood-money, and they don’t care how many girls get hurt in the process http://www.operationoutcry.org http://www.liveaction.org http://www.100abortionpictures.com http://www.abortionno.org

  26. Johnny Phillip Morris

    I live in Oxford …

    There’s your problem!

    And the dumkopphen will continue to use tobacco products is spite of the cancer warnings on the packaging

    Go figure.

  27. Johnny Phillip Morris

    Really JD? The SS guards in Germany didn’t allow their “personal beliefs” to get in the way of sending millions to the gas chambers,~Stephanie

    “Anon” was unable to produce a photo of the “ubiquitous” “gas chambers” that were allegedly employed to “exterminate 6 million Jews .” Anon ended up with egg on his face.

    Let’s see you do better, Stephanie. As before, the “homicidal gas chambers” constructed by the Poles at Auschwitz in 1948 to promote tourism do NOT qualify.

  28. Johnny Phillip Morris

    Then they tried deportations to Mauritius but couldn’t make it happen.~Randy Crawford

    I assume that you meant “Madagascar?” It was French idea before it was Germany’s “solution.”

    The “final solution” was always about mass deportation, not genocide. At first the final solution was mass deportation to the French colonial possession of Madagascar off the coast of East Africa, not West Africa. But Operation Barbaroosa changed all that and it was decided that AFTER the war, deportations of the alien Khazarian Jews were to be eastward into Siberia, if Germany had been successful in the pre-emptive invasion of Bolshevik Russia. The Germans were unsuccessful. Most of the internees in the concentration camp system were there for political or security reasons. And most of the internees died from typhus disease related to the unrestricted aerial bombing of German infrastructure that supported a lifeline to these camps, and NOT from “homicidal gas chambers.”

    Read David Irving’s Hitler’s War!

    • Randy Crawford

      It was Operation Barbarossa, not Barbaroosa. Madagascar may have been considered at some point also. I’m not purporting to cover years of world history in a paragraph. Most of the “internees” were there for genocidal reasons. There was no security or political interest in putting away children and housewives and tailors and jewelers. Your line of argumentation sounds like a scam conjured up by a resuscitated Josef Goebbels, and is as preposterous as the contention a big lie repeated over and over will sell itself. Yes, but only to suckers. If you don’t understand the goal was mass murder and that the method became via cyanide chambers and not via typhus or via working slaves past exhaustion, your ignorance and lies are beyond pathetic, as are the ludicrous contentions that Nazis were supporting a “lifeline” or that typhus was the fault of Allied bombing. Why don’t you try to argue that water isn’t really wet, or that objects don’t fall when dropped in a gravitational field?

  29. Johnny Phillip Morris

    More people died in the back seat of Ted Kennedy’s car at Chappaquiddick, than ever died in a homicidal gas chamber at Auschwitz~ WW II Historian David Irving

    • randy crawford

      For info on Auschwitz gas chamber deaths, anybody can find the documentation just by googling “nazi auschwitz gas chamber oven crematorium’ and follow the links to photos and text

  30. Johnny Phillip Morris

    The fact the pictures are so disgusting is proof that the abortion mills should be shut down immediately for doing baby butchery in real life. The pictures are merely like news bulletins about what is happening in the real world. ~Randy Crawford

    Great, too, If that (graphic photo news bulletins of civilian war dead via PressTV)could only stop the US complicit NATO butchery of the living innocents in Libya and other killing fields of the Middle East.

  31. Johnny Phillip Morris

    An interesting article on the efforts by another “good ole boy from Mississippi(Hattiesburg) who went to Harvard” and wants to prevent the people of Mississippi from voting through the ballot initiative on clarifying the “person” issue that will be before the voters on the ballot this November. Another “good ole boy from Mississippi(Leland Speed from Jackson)” is attempting to have the Secretary of State remove the eminent domain initative removed from the ballot, too.

    Rob McDuff has spent his career in “civil rights” lawsuits aimed at flooding and gerrymandering the voter rolls of Mississippi with the ignorant and uninformed. I think that he will get his well-deserved comeuppance before Judge Jess Dickinson in Jackson as McDuff attempts to prevent the people of Mississippi from expressing the common will through ballot initiatives.

    We proved what the ballot initiative could do with the Mississsippi flag issue ten years ago;i.e., thwarting the efforts of Jim Barksdale, William Winter, Dickie Scruggs, Trent Lott, Thad Cochran, Archie Manning, Mike Moore, Haley barbour and etal. , all of whom supported the campaign to abolish the 1890 Mississippi State flag.

    Vox Populi !

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/6/pro-choice-forces-seek-to-prevent-referendum/print/

  32. Johnny Phillip Morris

    {SNIP}

    …The people of Mississippi voted in 1992 to create two ways to amend their state constitution: gather signatures to put an initiative on the ballot or have their legislature pass an amendment for voters to approve or reject, said Mr. McDuff.

    Measure 26 is unconstitutional because the 1992 law said that the initiative process “shall not be used for the proposal, modification or repeal for any portion of the Bill of Rights of this constitution,” he argued.

    Liberty Counsel lawyer Stephen Crampton countered that Measure 26 is permissible because it only clarifies the meaning of a word – “person” – in the state’s Bill of Rights.

    Mississippi Supreme Court PresidingJustice Jess H. Dickinson and Associate Justice Michael K. Randolph frequently led the questioning, which focused on the meanings of words such as “modification” and “amend,” and the relevance of another section in the Mississippi Constitution that allows the people to “alter and abolish their constitution … whenever they deem it.”

  33. Johnny Phillip Morris

    However, one must agree with McDuff in pointing to the illogical inconsistencies in the State law that makes it a criminal offense for anyone OTHER than the mother to end a pregnancy.

    Logically, it follows that a mother has a right to end her pregnancy without criminal penalty?

    {SNIP}

    …Under Mississippi law it is a crime for any person except the mother to try to cause an abortion.

    If it’s not a crime for a mother to intentionally end her pregnancy, how can it be a crime for her to do it unintentionally, whether by taking drugs or smoking or whatever it Robert McDuff, a civil rights lawyer asked the state supreme court.

    Is there a lawyer in the house?

  34. Johnny Phillip Morris

    Will Capt. Fred Shelton enforce the law of the land after the SCOTUS affirmed that first amendment rights must be extended even to unwanted protestors at a funeral.

    However, SCOTUS DID not rule on whether “NG Chaplins” or US Marshalls must pass the army physical fitness test.

  35. Johnny Phillip Morris

    I’ve included a listing of the “big guns” from the so-called Mississippi Center for Justice(sic) that are likely in support of the lawsuit by plantiffs Hughes and Hemmins against the Secretary State Houseman to stop the Mississippi ballot initiative that will determine “personhood.”

    You will some of the the “usual corporate suspects” and their corporate sponsors(Monsanto , for example) and benefactors listed:Rob McDuff, Southern Poverty Law Center(SPLC), Hodding Carter III, Alison Steiner, Mike Moore, Dick Molpus, John Grisham, Rims Barber, Ruben Anderson, Mel Leventhal , etal. Also listed is our own Wilbur Colom who, btw, was the 2009 recipient of the center’s Champion of Justice.</b

    How about it Wil? Will you be joining Alice Walker on that Gaza flotilla for Justice in Palestine?

    http://tinyurl.com/3g3tzue

  36. JohnnyPhillipMorris

    P.T. Barnum said,If you want to draw crowd, start a fight.”

    Well, MSU English Professor Noel Polk’s Letter To the Editor at the Hattiesburg-American did just that…referring to the unborn child as a “zygote.” Polk left USM in a huff a few years back over a fight with then President Shelby Thames.

    Personally,I like the perennial Hattiesburg “muckracker” Shawn O’Hara’s observation while sitting in on a panel discussion with other gubernatorial candidate on the Coast a few months back.

    When asked about his position on abortion, O’Hara(gesticulating upward with his “middle finger) said that, “abortion is like giving God the finger!

    Pure genius!

    O’Hara, I think, is running on the Green Party ticket.

  37. michelle

    I agree that the police should have gotten involved. I have live down the road from this intersection for 28 years and its usually every weekend or at least once a week someone having a wreck or 45 and that’s without distracting pedestrians on the corners. Say what you want for or against abortion this was not the issue. This intersection has been dangerous because of its location and doesn’t need distractions to make traffic conditions worse.

  38. randy crawford

    Michelle, we don’t need to worry whether somebody is coming to butcher you in your bed tonight or not. What happens to you happens to you, and it’s not an issue for or against. Worrying about it would just be a distraction that the larger world doesn’t need to make things worse.

  39. JohnnyPhillipMorris

    Randy~

    You link to crematoria and Zyklon-B delousing chambers and call them “homicidal gas chambers?”

    There was a typhus epidemic at Auschwitz you must know? How do yo fight the spread of typhus, Randy?

    And, Randy, more inmates at Auschwitz died after the Soviet occupation there. Are you saying they were “gassed,” too?

    Try again, Randy. Maybe you should show your proof to David Irving at his website and claim the reward for proof. You’d be the first awardee.

  40. Point of article

    I think some of you missed the point! If my understanding of what I read is correct the preacher intentionally disobeyed the officer to prove that the cpd is corrupt and biased. The protesters were about to obey the officer until the preacher decided otherwise.I do think that the officer was within his limits of the law. If you feel that you can intentionally disobey a law officer regardless of your beliefs than be prepared that the outcome may not be a good one. That is a really bad intersection and the safety of the protesters and motorists had to be protected.

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